Yes on 8 - Why?
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radmooseI was driving through Simi Valley, CA tonight and saw a groups of 2 -3 people on the four street corners on the major street holding "Yes on 8" signs.
So, after seeing this, I decided to pull over and talk to someone.
I asked one of the guys if there was someone that I could talk to that was well versed in the Proposition. He said well, why not let me give it a try.
We talked for about 20 minutes. He was a pretty nice guy. Married for 39 years, his kids are married, etc.
In came down to that he is worried about "fringe" gays pushing their views on others and is worried that if Prop. 8 isn't passed that in 5 years we are going to see a lot of bad things.
All of his viewpoints were based upon "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
His examples were pretty much all of the stuff that has been fed to him.
In many cases they were either wrong, or based upon the "I am worried that..." type of logic. That people will be forced to accept things from the "fringe" gay community.
He said he had no problems with gays (and bmy use of gays in the discussion really seeed to be LGBT) but he thought that everyone already had the same rights at all levels and also via civil unions. He thought that gays were protected via hate crime laws. He thought that gays already were protected. He just wanted "marriage" to be a man/woman thing.
But he couldn't really tell me why.
When he said about procreation, I said "So, people that cannot have kids shoukld not be married?" He changed the subject.
I do understand some of his concerns.
He is worried about what MIGHT happen.
He doesn't seem to be anti-gay specifically.. just worried about the future.
Is there ANY site for the YES side that doesn't use lies and FUD to try to 'prove' their point?
There is an interesting NO on 8 post that the guy even went as far as to personally buy as space on Google.
http://spatula.net/think-about-proposition-8/
So, any rational Yes on 8 arguments?
So, after seeing this, I decided to pull over and talk to someone.
I asked one of the guys if there was someone that I could talk to that was well versed in the Proposition. He said well, why not let me give it a try.
We talked for about 20 minutes. He was a pretty nice guy. Married for 39 years, his kids are married, etc.
In came down to that he is worried about "fringe" gays pushing their views on others and is worried that if Prop. 8 isn't passed that in 5 years we are going to see a lot of bad things.
All of his viewpoints were based upon "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
His examples were pretty much all of the stuff that has been fed to him.
In many cases they were either wrong, or based upon the "I am worried that..." type of logic. That people will be forced to accept things from the "fringe" gay community.
He said he had no problems with gays (and bmy use of gays in the discussion really seeed to be LGBT) but he thought that everyone already had the same rights at all levels and also via civil unions. He thought that gays were protected via hate crime laws. He thought that gays already were protected. He just wanted "marriage" to be a man/woman thing.
But he couldn't really tell me why.
When he said about procreation, I said "So, people that cannot have kids shoukld not be married?" He changed the subject.
I do understand some of his concerns.
He is worried about what MIGHT happen.
He doesn't seem to be anti-gay specifically.. just worried about the future.
Is there ANY site for the YES side that doesn't use lies and FUD to try to 'prove' their point?
There is an interesting NO on 8 post that the guy even went as far as to personally buy as space on Google.
http://spatula.net/think-about-proposition-8/
So, any rational Yes on 8 arguments?
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Date: 2008-10-25 05:57 pm (UTC)I have to head back to Simi today... wonder what I will see today.
While I was standing on the corner talking to the guy, there was 2 others on my corner and 2-3 on each of the other corners holding Yes on 8 signs.
Coming down the street was a bunch of guys in their mid teens riding BMX bicycles and right as they passed by us they yelled something... something that I didn't expect from the group... "F---ing Homophobes!"