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Yes on 8 - Why?
I was driving through Simi Valley, CA tonight and saw a groups of 2 -3 people on the four street corners on the major street holding "Yes on 8" signs.
So, after seeing this, I decided to pull over and talk to someone.
I asked one of the guys if there was someone that I could talk to that was well versed in the Proposition. He said well, why not let me give it a try.
We talked for about 20 minutes. He was a pretty nice guy. Married for 39 years, his kids are married, etc.
In came down to that he is worried about "fringe" gays pushing their views on others and is worried that if Prop. 8 isn't passed that in 5 years we are going to see a lot of bad things.
All of his viewpoints were based upon "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
His examples were pretty much all of the stuff that has been fed to him.
In many cases they were either wrong, or based upon the "I am worried that..." type of logic. That people will be forced to accept things from the "fringe" gay community.
He said he had no problems with gays (and bmy use of gays in the discussion really seeed to be LGBT) but he thought that everyone already had the same rights at all levels and also via civil unions. He thought that gays were protected via hate crime laws. He thought that gays already were protected. He just wanted "marriage" to be a man/woman thing.
But he couldn't really tell me why.
When he said about procreation, I said "So, people that cannot have kids shoukld not be married?" He changed the subject.
I do understand some of his concerns.
He is worried about what MIGHT happen.
He doesn't seem to be anti-gay specifically.. just worried about the future.
Is there ANY site for the YES side that doesn't use lies and FUD to try to 'prove' their point?
There is an interesting NO on 8 post that the guy even went as far as to personally buy as space on Google.
http://spatula.net/think-about-proposition-8/
So, any rational Yes on 8 arguments?
So, after seeing this, I decided to pull over and talk to someone.
I asked one of the guys if there was someone that I could talk to that was well versed in the Proposition. He said well, why not let me give it a try.
We talked for about 20 minutes. He was a pretty nice guy. Married for 39 years, his kids are married, etc.
In came down to that he is worried about "fringe" gays pushing their views on others and is worried that if Prop. 8 isn't passed that in 5 years we are going to see a lot of bad things.
All of his viewpoints were based upon "FUD", Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
His examples were pretty much all of the stuff that has been fed to him.
In many cases they were either wrong, or based upon the "I am worried that..." type of logic. That people will be forced to accept things from the "fringe" gay community.
He said he had no problems with gays (and bmy use of gays in the discussion really seeed to be LGBT) but he thought that everyone already had the same rights at all levels and also via civil unions. He thought that gays were protected via hate crime laws. He thought that gays already were protected. He just wanted "marriage" to be a man/woman thing.
But he couldn't really tell me why.
When he said about procreation, I said "So, people that cannot have kids shoukld not be married?" He changed the subject.
I do understand some of his concerns.
He is worried about what MIGHT happen.
He doesn't seem to be anti-gay specifically.. just worried about the future.
Is there ANY site for the YES side that doesn't use lies and FUD to try to 'prove' their point?
There is an interesting NO on 8 post that the guy even went as far as to personally buy as space on Google.
http://spatula.net/think-about-proposition-8/
So, any rational Yes on 8 arguments?
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I do understand that he is worried about the future.. heck, I am worried about the chance that Palin might be the VP (and then maybe President!)
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I'm just over the hill in Chatsworth :P
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We haven't had street corner sign waving that I have seen..yet.
But we have a lot of Yes On 8 billboards in backyards facing major streets (and a few places with Yes and No signs next to each other.)
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I have to head back to Simi today... wonder what I will see today.
While I was standing on the corner talking to the guy, there was 2 others on my corner and 2-3 on each of the other corners holding Yes on 8 signs.
Coming down the street was a bunch of guys in their mid teens riding BMX bicycles and right as they passed by us they yelled something... something that I didn't expect from the group... "F---ing Homophobes!"
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Funding may be lost for religious schools that would teach that marriage should only be between a man and woman. Such is the case against Bob Jones University when they still taught up until the year 2000 that interracial marriages were against the teachings of the university.
http://everything2.com/node/438199
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BJU has had many run ins with the IRS and they really try to push it to the limit. There has been rumors of them being classified as a cult, which would also cut the tax exempt status.
A church CAN say that they BELIEVE a marriage should only be between a man and a woman. A church does NOT have to marry anyone that they don't want to.
The man I talked to would not give out where he was from, as I figured that it was so his church would not be connected to the protest.
I still haven't found a decent argument (or even a few points) on why "Yes On 8"...
Heck, as much as I am scared about Palin, at least you can come up with a good point or two about her (although I doubt it would overshadow her moose hunting...grrr) =P